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Jeffrey W Barney's avatar

As I mentioned in my comment in your promised following article, Scharmer's work on the 4th person is deeply rooted in Steiner's epistemology. What I did not mention is that it is also deeply rooted in the latter's Christology. The alchemical wedding of these two is found in what Steiner refers to as the etheric as a fourth dimension. I love that you frame this as emergent. I would also say it is existent and is presence that can be individualized such that we inversely are participants in this dimension beyond space, time, and directionality and embodied and ensouled as transformed desire. Perhaps that is what one can say: the participation in the etheric is what is emergent and the etheric is thus eternal and evolving in simultaneity? I love where you are going.

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Marty Keller's avatar

Ken Wilber long ago pointed out that the challenge of this work is in the locus of self-identity. While I may have experience of the group field, do I identify as "this person having the experience," or do I identify as the field itself that gives rise to identity (and experience)? "Fourth person knowing" implies identity as the "fourth person"; otherwise it is what Wilber calls a peak experience. Nothing is wrong with any of this, of course, but I notice a tendency among many experimenting in this spiritual laboratory to overlook the role of identity, which births perspective. Ramana Maharshi's instruction to continuously ask "Who am I?" seems apposite here.

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